Making A Curved Turnout

Welcome back to planet Unobtanium! If you thought finding Aristo-craft #6 or wye switches was difficult, or anything in stainless steel for that matter, good luck finding anything curved. As rare as they are on the prototype, it’s no wonder they’re nonexistent in garden scale. If you know of anyone who makes them, or made them, please leave a comment and let me know!

For the longest time I’ve struggled with how to “complete” the downtown wye. Due to space constraints, a standard switch won’t fit. We’ve designed ourselves into a corner, so to speak. In this case, a 14′ diameter semi-circle of track, and a need to escape it at the quarter circle mark to join with the diverging leg of the wye.

We “cheated” by replacing one of the 14′ diameter sections of track with a 20′ diameter section, connected directly to the diverging route away from downtown. This left no way to enter the downtown leg of the wye from that direction. That leg was still accessible from the direction of the actual wye switch, but now nothing more than a dead end spur.

Necessity’s A Mother

The wye switch was removed as well. The leg into downtown from the south has a wide radius switch, but that was also rearranged to better fit continuous operation. That entire section to the south leads to the lower loop around the deck. To avoid the need for a reverse loop controller, automatic or otherwise, the switches are placed “toe-to-toe” rather than “heel-to-heel”.

This one’s definitely going to need a picture (or three). I’m waving my hands over here trying to describe it and can already see the blank stares… We’ll get to that shortly. For now, let’s just say we side stepped this issue in favor of continuous running. Eventually we’ll need that auto-reverser, but that’s another project all by itself.

We’ve finally reached the point of needing that curved turnout. Which means it’s time to design one and start making it ourselves. To that end, I resurrected the home made #5, an old tangent to 14′ diameter switch design I started drafting up ages ago. I shelved it when I realized I was in over my head, still a novice with the SketchUp software and 3D printing.

A New Hope

I last touched that design in Early March of 2020 and it shows! I’ve gained a lot of experience in those six years though. Now I’m putting it to the test on the home made curved switch. All my time has been devoted to this new design, when I’m not working on replacing the rotted stringers that is, which means anytime during the week when I’m not working my day job.

All that dedication paid off. In a little less than a week the preliminary design is complete and the prototype tie strips have all been 3D printed! Test fitting the tie strips for the heel and point rail ties suggests the fit is “a bit snug”. And by a bit snug, I mean I had to use the tack hammer to “tap” the inside 14′ diameter stock rail into position.

The remaining tie strips are printed and all the support material removed, all but those on the frog ties. Some background on the design of these tie strips. Each tie is connected to the next by a strip of material in order to keep them spaced apart and in the proper position relative to their placement along the switch. Hence the name “tie strips”. But I’m getting ahead of myself again.

Design Considerations

The tie strips are designed to be around 12″ at the longest, mainly due to 3D printer build volume constraints. The new 3D printer, an AnyCubic Kobra S1 Max, arrived not even two weeks ago and has a build volume of 350mm x 350mm x 350mm (13.77″ x 13.77″ x 13.77″). Needless to say I’ve been anxious to put it through its paces and see what it can do.

I’ve already encountered the “out of filament” event. An event that revealed what a total piece of crap the “old new” Sunlu 3D printer is when it comes to filament management. It certainly detects when it’s out of filament. It complains about it and asks for the filament to be replaced, but then loses its mind after that, requiring a power off reset to recover from it!

The AnyCubic? It functions the way the Sunlu should have. When it detects it’s out of filament, it homes the print head, remembering where it left off. Then it prompts to confirm refilling the slot in ACE cabinet. Once it detects the new filament is inserted it primes the system and awaits the request to resume printing, which it does, right where it left off! It’s a dream come true.

A Poor Assumption

It’s not all rainbows and unicorns though. As I mentioned, the fit is a bit snug. The ties are fragile, cracking and splitting along the layer lines when pressing them onto the rails. But by far the biggest drawback of the initial design is all the support material. Each tie strips take about half an hour to remove all the support material, using needle nose pliers no less!

Let me step back and describe the original design approach before we go much further. The design is “copied” from the original Aristo-craft switch ties. The thought is it worked for them for years, so it should provides clues where to start, and should be a good jumping off point for our design. Well, that was a poor assumption, at least for the ties themselves.

There are other limitations to the Aristo-craft switch design, but we’ll get to those shortly. Their tie design was meant to address injection molding and manufacturing constraints that we don’t have. We do have constraints, just not the same as those. Our constraints are related to 3D printing and the materials available that can survive the heat.

Differing Design Constraints

The Aristo-craft design uses “hollow” ties with thin walls and opening on the tops of the ties where the rail “foot clamps” live, presumably to conserve the amount of material injected per part into the molds and facilitate the release of the parts from the molds. Parts in this case refers to the tie strips, not just single ties.

The Aristo-craft injection molds themselves provide the “overhang” support for the underside of the top of the tie. We don’t have that luxury when 3D printing. Any overhang of more than a 50° angle from vertical will cause issues. With nothing to support the molten plastic, it droops and deforms. Those familiar with 3D printing will know it as “bridging”.

Successive layers above the area of bridging depend on those previous layers for support, now missing and drooping because of lack of support beneath them. Again, those familiar with 3D printing know that supports are “waste” material. They get printed along with the desired part, but are only there to bridge the overhangs and support the layers above.

Refining The Design

After printing is complete, the supports must be removed and usually tossed in the trash. Wasteful, but necessary when the desire is to print as one piece, not many that need joined together in some fashion. For tie strips, we could certainly print a dozen or more tie bases. Then print two strips of rail foot holds, one for each rail, and glue them all together.

I’ve not tried that approach, but have to think it would take just as long to glue a tie strip together and it does to remove all that wasted support material inside the hollow ties. A better approach would be to just redesign the ties to be “solid”, that is to say a defined number of walls in thickness with a certain percentage of infill inside them.

The ties don’t need to be hollow to begin with. That was an injection molding constraint. Now for not much more material than would have gone into printing the supports then thrown away, what used to be waste material is incorporated into the tie itself, providing a much stronger tie in the process. If it’s going to get used anyway, may as well add it to the part!

Further Refinements

I kicked off printing the frog tie strip before getting out in the Barkyard, working on more stringer replacements. It’s more than a five hour print, which gives me plenty of time to refine the design for solid ties and put together a couple more PVC stringers. The toe end tie strips all use a single tie model, so updating the design fixes those eleven ties all at once. The rest of them? Not so much…

The print of the frog tie strip had long since finished by the time I knocked off for the day replacing stringers in the Barkyard. I hadn’t planned on being out there all day, but managed to re-layout the two wye legs that had been plagued by my previous misguided assumption about the wye switch. With the needed curved switch about to become real, it made sense.

I removed it and kicked off printing those toe end tie strips. When they were done printing, I started the process of removing all the supports. This time it’s limited to just the connecting strips, which easily break off by hand, and the rail foot clamps. Those still require the needle nose, popping them out from the top into the hollow beneath. Quick and easy!

I tried removing the supports from the frog tie strip, this time concentrating on removal of just the supports for the foot clamps. The rest of the support material in the hollow of the tie can just stay there. It’s not visible, so why bother? I stopped short of removing them all though.

Further Refinement Considerations

Those toe tie strips are much stronger with infill and the ease of removing the supports is another vote in favor of this redesign. Another consideration for refinement is the tight fit of the foot clamps on the rails. I had already eased the fit by ten to twenty thousandths of an inch (¼mm – ½mm) in places where the rail angle compared to tie is large.

Let’s rewind to the original design idea for this curved switch to better understand that last statement. Even with tangent to diverging curve switch designs, on the diverging route the rails fall at an angle to the ties. Eventually at the toe end of the diverging routes, the ties resume their normal perpendicular orientation to the rails.

Now consider this is a curved switch and regardless of which route, we’ll call them them normal and diverging, since tangent doesn’t really seem to fit, both the normal and diverging rails will always be at an angle to the ties, save for the toe end ties. Given both routes are curved, and one way to minimize that is to arrange the ties to the average curvature.

Initial Design Constraints

In our case, midway between the 14′ and 20′ diameters is 17′. Starting with the original tie design from way back, they are arranged every half degree for the full 22.5° curvature of an entire 20′ section. I made this a constraint to avoid the tragic outcome from my previous mistaken assumption that the Aristo-craft wye switch was a full 20′ diameter section.

Also because when I laid out a full 22.5° 14′ diameter section over the 20′ section, it’s only long enough to meet where the frog sits! Anything less than a full 22.5° section would be less than a complete switch. I arbitrarily added an additional 7.5° to the 14′ diameter route to ensure the ties from sectional track segments won’t interfere with each other.

What can I say? A hold over from my HO days where the #4 switches needed a 1/3 18″ radius section for the switch to replace a single 18″ radius curve section. Those legs of the wye already use flexible track segments bent to fit properly. Worst case is the extra 7.5° needs removed to fit with the new curved switch in place.

Additional Design Refinement

Getting back to the design decision to use a 17′ diameter tie layout, each tie will need to be adjusted because of this decision, more so than if it were a tangent / diverging route switch. Both routes need to be adjusted, not just the diverging route. By adjusted, I mean the position of the foot clamps based on rail position as well as interference fitment.

That’s where the ten to twenty thousandths figure comes from. Each of those 48 ties needs careful consideration, from centering the foot clamps over the rail foot, to sighting down the length of the rail from the inside to verify clearances from the tip of the foot clamp to the web of the rail. It’s like using X-ray vision to eliminate any interference between them.

One other outcome of running out of filament is the brittle nature of the replacement filament. Don’t even look at those foot clamps wrong or they snap right off!. Finding out why this filament was so inexpensive. Definitely not a bargain. Never buying that stuff again. I’m guessing what I’d been printing with before that was PLA+ and this latest stuff is just plain PLA. Dunno.

Real World Considerations

The brittle nature of the filament coupled with a lack of complete support removal is a sure way to snap it right off when attempting to test fit rail. So one more refinement will be to back off the foot clamps another 10 thousandths as well as raise them all by 10 thousandths. It’s also a vote to just reprint those other ties strips using the design refinements.

But that’s not as easy as changing one model to fix all of them like it was with the toe ties. Every one of those remaining switch ties is unique. Most have two additional rail foot clamps beyond the original two the model they’re based on came with. The exceptions are the heel ties and point rail ties under the point rails. just sixteen of them out of the 48 switch ties.

I’m going to cut this one short for now. If I somehow manage to make substantial progress tonight, then I’ll come back and update this post. Otherwise, stayed tuned for Part II.

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New Stringers – Part II

Welcome back! We’re still welcoming Spring with new PVC stringers. If you missed our first post, you may want to start there first. This is a continuation of what we started there. Except now it’s well beyond the first day of Spring, nearly the end of April at this point, and we’re still working on replacing stringers! This post covers another three weekends of effort.

This is taking much longer than expected, but continued improvement each weekend brings us closer to our goal of running trains. We left off with all the elevated sections painted and installed. In addition, the downtown mainline, station siding, and long siding are installed. Those took longer because those stretches are on the ground and more rotted stringers needed dug out first.

The track is installed as well, with the one exception of the stretch where the bridges will go. For now it’s just a straight elevated section waiting for track and bridges. Originally the thought was the approaches would be of trestle construction, but now I’m leaning toward laced steel girder supports and plate girder bridges. That can wait until later. We can run trains without any of it.

 

Fixing The Wye

Hadn’t really planned on doing anything more than what’s necessary to replace the 20′ diameter track section and wye switch with 14′ diameter sections. Essentially we want to “hardwire” the Downtown loop to return to the mainline, reducing the layout to its original “dogbone” roots with two loops, one Downtown, and one over the deck.

The thinking was maybe we’d restore the wye in the future. Well, the future is now. What prompted this change? It all started with having to replace the stringers on the 20′ diameter section of the Downtown loop. It ended with finding the old homemade #5 switch design and bringing it out of mothballs. Somewhere in between we discovered that fixing the wye would be easier than not.

Since the track was still in place over the 20′ diameter section, the assumption was the stringer beneath was still in good shape. That was a poor assumption. Oh well, we’ll just make another 20′ diameter replacement while we’re at it. Slowly but surely that stretched into the next 14′ diameter section, then the next, and another after that.

Working toward the wye switch it became apparent all the wye stringers were rotted and need removed. Replacing each new section of the 14′ diameter stringers, it soon became apparent the posts weren’t arranged in a 14′ circle either. Turns out we’ll need another 14′ diameter stringer to reach the wye switch as well, once the remaining rotted stringers are removed that is.

 

If It Doesn’t Fit, Force It…

Force fitting those 14′ diameter legs of the wye may have made sense at the time, but now leaving them that way is more trouble than making it right. Time to break out that wye switch and take some measurements. We’re trying to locate the centers of those 14′ diameter circles, one on each side, based on the true geometry of the wye switch. But we’ll need something straight at least 7′ long.

Hmmm…. What do we have that is both long enough and straight enough? We have a whole stack of 8′ long PVC 1x2s not yet assembled into new stringers. One of those would certainly fit the bill. Marking out the centerline on the turf with a sharpie is close enough, but reminds me of previous opportunities lost without a more permanent center marker.

There has to be a better way to do this. Time to find one of those spare “turf nails”. Found a bunch of them in one of the drawers in the toolbox, and two different sizes no less! The idea is to “pin” the center with one of the larger turf nails. Beyond that, by attaching one of those 1⅝” spacers to one end of the 1×2 and drilling a hole to fit the nail marking the center at the other end, we have an accurate compass.

With our new PVC “compass”, we can “sweep” a 14′ diameter circle, holding the stringers in place with that spacer. It fits nicely between the two sides of the stringer and holds it in place while confidently driving a post into the correct location. That involves pulling out the existing incorrectly located posts with a set of Kleins then accurately smashing them back in with the sledge hammer.

All Kinds Of Wrong

As helpful as our new PVC compass is for laying out the curved stringers, it also excels at pointing out all the mistakes in our original geometry. Both legs of the wye were off by more than twice the width of the track! No wonder the track refused to cooperate and go where it was supposed to without a fight. All kinds of wrong.

On the North leg of the wye, the closer it gets to where we need that curved switch, the more the radius relaxes into a wider curve. On the South leg, the closer it gets to those toe-to-toe switches, the tighter the radius gets! If you look closely at the pictures, you’ll see how far off the black edging is now. Good thing we’re using flex track for both curved legs!

It may take some time with the rail bender to finesse the wonky curved flex tracks to fit properly, but it’s totally worth the effort. Both stringers now follow a smooth curve that fits the desired geometry. I just wish I’d painted those stringers before fastening them together! Nothing some strategically placed masking paper won’t handle.

So kind of a funny aside. A while back I asked Nick to pick up a couple cans of brown spray paint for me from Lowe’s. He got me two of the fancy adjustable nozzle Krylon brown and two of the 2X espresso color. I used those up weeks ago. The next time I was there, Lowe’s was out of the 2X espresso I wanted, so I got three with the fancy nozzle in dark brown. They’re also gone now.

Last time there I bought all the 2X espresso they had, the three left on the shelf and the remaining case of six I had to have an associate fetch from the rack high above using the huge rolling ladder thingy. After painting those wye stringers, I’m down to my last four cans! But I’m getting ahead of myself.

The only reason we’re talking about painting in the first place is because of protecting the PVC from Ultra-violet (UV) radiation, which breaks the bonds in the flexible long chain polymers, making it more and more brittle over time. Paint is a means of protecting the PVC from the UV degradation of baking in the hot Florida sun. An added bonus is it looks much better than bright white!

Time To Take A Fence Break

We almost got the wye finished, but had to stop and make sure we’re ready for the new fence to go in this coming week, the first full week of May (2026). So we also spent this last weekend pulling out the rest of the track and rotted stringers from behind the shed in preparation for the fence builders to come in and replace the fence. Wasn’t much left but the track itself and just a single 10′ diameter wood stringer still in fairly good shape.

Even that totally destroyed 3′ section of track came out, the one that hurricane Milton blew down a big chunk of the tree on that caused all the damage. Speaking of that destroyed 3′ section, I managed to get both rails straightened out and the tie strips back in place and screwed securely to the rails. Like it never happened! I was amazed that just sighting down the rails and some time with the rail bender was all it took.

But that wasn’t the only piece of track repaired. Add two 5′ sections to the list from yesterday. Just about every piece of track needs disassembled and the tie strips “reseated” over the foot of the rails before the track can be put back in place. Anyone who’s ever dealt with those annoying little Aristo-craft screws knows what a pain they are. My big hammy hands make it even more difficult, inevitably losing some of those fumbly screws in the process.

As an example, one of those 5′ sections was missing every fourth screw. I have some replacements but they only thread in a little over a turn before binding, like they’re the wrong thread pitch, so I gave up on that. Some are better than none. When you get right down to it, are they really necessary at all? Those Piko tie strips for the flex track have none and still hold the rails just fine.

Fence Break’s Over!

Fixing the track is about all we’re able to do while they remove what’s left of the old fence and basically build our new board-on-board fence in place, from scratch. I say they, but it’s basically one very dedicated individual, John, and he knows his stuff! Over the course of four days he nearly single handedly built our new fence. He had a “new hire” one day, but he quit and left early on his first day! We’re simply amazed by the quality and craftsmanship. And it looks awesome!

Judge for yourself. All but one of the pictures so far show the old, dilapidated fence in the background. Those pictures that follow will have the new fence in the background. Ann’s already out there stringing up the lights, and doing it the way she wants them done this time around, stretched straight and level. No sagging allowed! We even rerouted the dedicated extension cord around the back of the garage instead of draped over the track in front of the shed. Much better!

Time to get back to replacing the stringers. All the curved stringers we need are already finished, painted, and installed. Time for a bunch more straight ones. Two for the bridge section by the deck, two for the straight leg of the wye, and another to complete the station siding. Another weekend, another set of stringers installed. All but the straight leg of the wye. That’s going to take a LOT more work to finish.

Not only does the dirt need dug out, but there was turf under the old stringers, meaning it will need cut out of the way first, just to be able to get to the dirt under it! We’ll save that for next time. For now the progress is impressive. And more than we originally planned. But to make the wye a reality, we’ll need that curved switch. Good news everyone! That’s already in the works. I spent the week the fence was installed working on the design, captured in this post.

For A Limited Time Only

I’d been gathering the footage of the progress from the surveillance cameras, thinking they could be spliced together into a sort of time lapse montage. But then I missed the window to grab the footage from a couple weekends now. I’m surprised by this since I’ve been able to go back more than a week in the past. I can’t remember the last time I wasn’t able to. Oh well, I’m down to my last 3GB on a 4TB drive, not sure where I would have put it anyway!

Add the footage of the fence installation to that and we broke the bank, so to speak. I hastily rearranged data on the network storage server and removed duplicated items to make space for this video and more. I’m not real comfortable with the single point of failure state that left a lot of the existing captured video in, but I haven’t done anything with it years later, so chances are I’ll never do anything with it anyway and it’s just wasted storage. Time will tell.

For now, we’re busy with a single goal. Get. Trains. Running. Will we get there by Memorial Day? We’re definitely cutting it close with just one more weekend until Memorial Day weekend. I hate to leave you with a cliff hanger, but if you want to find out, you’ll have to stay tuned for Part III. I will admit we’ll be pushing it just to get all the stringers replaced, let alone all the track relayed.

 

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